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Defensive line could be thin on Sunday

Posted by Mike Spofford on December 5, 2012 – 5:01 pm

With DE C.J. Wilson still out with a knee injury and DE Mike Neal added to the injury report on Wednesday with a shoulder injury, the Packers’ defensive line could be a bit thin come Sunday against the Lions.

Mike McCarthy said he didn’t have a lot of information on Neal’s shoulder, but he didn’t “feel real good about what the medical staff told” him about Neal. That would indicate Neal’s chances of playing this week are slim, and if Wilson remains out, that would leave the Packers with only four healthy defensive linemen — B.J. Raji, Ryan Pickett and rookies Jerel Worthy and Mike Daniels.

In other injury news, it sounds like rookie Don Barclay could get his first NFL start at right tackle in place of T.J. Lang, whose injured ankle is “not progressing the way he’d like,” according to McCarthy. Lang sat out practice on Wednesday.

WR Jordy Nelson also sat out practice, as did LB Clay Matthews. Both have hamstring injuries, and McCarthy said he didn’t know if either would be ready to play this week and didn’t get into specifics. “I’m about timelined out,” McCarthy said.

Veteran C Jeff Saturday was also added to the injury report with a foot injury. He was limited in practice, but McCarthy said he expects Saturday to be able to play against the Lions.

In summary, the injury list doesn’t seem to be getting any shorter for the Packers, but they’re so used to dealing with it by now that the typical response is a shrug of the shoulders.

“Self-pity is a waste of time, a waste of emotion,” McCarthy said. “I think it’s part of the National Football League. I don’t think we’ve created any secret formula how we go about it, we just stay focused on what’s in front of us, and you have to, especially these division games. They’re so important.”

The positive injury news came in the form of Charles Woodson’s return to practice from a broken collarbone. He was listed as limited on the injury report, the first time he has participated in practice since the injury, which occurred on Oct. 21 at St. Louis.

The Packers will practice in pads on Thursday, and McCarthy didn’t say whether Woodson would go in pads, which would be the next step to returning to game action.

“He’s getting close,” McCarthy said. “It’s a good start.”


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44 Responses to “Defensive line could be thin on Sunday”

  1. By JoAnn M Muir on Dec 5, 2012 | Reply

    Get #77 Muir back on Defense.

  2. By SteveinMiami on Dec 5, 2012 | Reply

    I’m about tired of this injury saga…. week after week. What the heck

  3. By KDUBBS on Dec 5, 2012 | Reply

    Reay Neal? When aren’t you I injured?

  4. By imjinbrdgr on Dec 5, 2012 | Reply

    Time to cut our losses on Neal

  5. By Mike on Dec 5, 2012 | Reply

    Anyone have stats on how many games Neal has been injured/healthy for? Looks like Justin Harrell 2.0.

  6. By Mark on Dec 5, 2012 | Reply

    I’ll say it again, The Packers, need to hire a much better strength/conditioning coordinator as well as a health/fitness guru. (Just look at Raji, he could lose a good 20 lbs. and be much quicker)

    We have way too many (shouldn’t have happened-type) injuries. Our guys need to come into camp in much better shape and they need to increase their health, flexibility, strength, stamina, etc. as the weeks of the season progress.

  7. By stanley on Dec 5, 2012 | Reply

    Thats true on the strenght and conditioning coach this has been going on long enough with the hamstring and ankle stuff not even soccer players get that much lower injuries

  8. By opie on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Mark…. You really want our 3-4 “big: guys to get “smaller” lol. Hold the point 3-4 ends and tackles need to be BIG. The BIGGER the better, not the smaller and quicker. (Shows how much you know lmfao) Injuries happen in the NFL. Where have you been??? If you knew ANYTHING about strength and conditioning you would know injuries happen in sports especially the NFL. number one reason NOT to play 18 games a year, the guys can’t even make it through a 16 game season. (Oh it’s probably because of the S&C coaches right Mark lol) If you said to McCarthy YOU are the fault the players get hurt because of the S&C coaches you hired he’d laugh in your face! Stretch more and then maybe Woodsons collarbone wont break, or Langs ankle wont sprang, or Saturdays foot more get fkd up. There is NO magic cure. No SUPER SECRET stretches that will keep you SAFE LOL. That only the “good” ones know. NOTHING that will protect players from the random injuries that occur in this violent game, get real! These are PROFESSIONAL athletes, on a team that recently WON a super bowl! And you say the players need to be in better shape???? LOL. That’s ALL they do, is train, train, train, try and get better, it’s their JOB, put it on tape for everyone to see, it’s their livelihood dude cmon. You know nothing about our S&T coach, do you have a masters degree, you obviously don’t have common sense blamming injuries on a coach!? Do you think our coach would put our players in the care of someone who is not 100% COMPLETELY OVER QUALIFIED to do the job???? They pour hours into film every week, into game planning, scouting, practicing, scheming, and he just forgot to hire a good S&T coach LMFAO! No not just that BUT our current coach is the REASON NFL players are getting hurt on JUST OUR team. LOL, how about the SIX bears players that got hurt in ONE game a few weeks back??? Or the rest of the league??? Oh it’s either a rash of incompetent terrible strength coaches through-out the league (sounds like a juicy conspiracy theory to me!) or it’s JUST a violent game played by the BEST athletes the world has to offer….injuries happen, DEAL with it. If their WAS an easy answer to injuries you dont think EVERYONE, EVERY TEAM, EVERY BILLION DOLLAR NFL ORGANIZATION WOULD DO IT?!?!? dumb.

  9. By opie on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    soccer players?!?!? Lmfao!! Maybe because this is a tough hard sport! You dont see 240 lbs guys running around on a soccer field ramming into each other do you? Running, being that much bigger, heavier, is a lot more dangerous and the collisions. Dude cmon…soccer!!!!! omfg.

  10. By opie on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    “shouldn’t have happened” type of injuries lol. Is that another one of your technical terms Mark??? Injuries are ALWAYS going to happen, every game, every team, every week, every year, since the NFL has been around! Get used to it, the Packers are nothing special or different just because our injuries upset you more or you care about them more than all the other injuries in the league lol. This is stuff you would NEVER have to explain to someone who understood strength and conditioning! What would Vic say to this…

  11. By Pack4ever12 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Come on Clay, did u tear the effin thing??? We need our beast back… What’s it been, 5 weeks? 6? I’m not thinking the lions will roll over for us one bit, this is a very important game! This is anybody’s year in the NFC

  12. By Jorge on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Most of the injuries are not collision related and the reference to soccer is relevant as the game demands a similar strain on the muscles and joints.
    An hamstring pull is not a contact injury. Nelson’s ankle injury was not a contact injury. The susceptibility of players to these can be diminished but it would be important to look at the numbers form other teams and seasons to see if the number of these types of injuries is abnormally high in the Packers team.

  13. By Jeff on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, a new strength coordinator- but who? “CHUCK NORRIS”perhaps?

  14. By Craig on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    At some point the Pack needs to drop players who cannot stay healthy. It is a reality of the game and business. The Pack have too many roster spots taken by people who are never available on Sunday.

  15. By Barlowmaker on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Once again it seems that the “medical staff” is running the show at 1265 Lombardi Avenue.

  16. By Scott on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Opie: How do you explain the two losses that the Badgers had to TCU, and Oregon? Speed kills, they will just run around your fat boys.

  17. By Scott on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I am starting to think that Opie is the conditioning coach.

  18. By David Schwalm on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Opie, Pleaeaeaease take a couple of English courses. You are illiterate and it’s tough to comprehend your insults directed at Mark.

  19. By naplespacker1 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    WE can only hope to get Muir back!! I would have never cut him… thought he was on a roster??

  20. By Matt on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t you remember there were no Mini-camps or anything from this past summer. Players didn’t have those extra months of training and development they are used to having. We need to stay positive! How lucky are we that we have a team that can handle such immense injuries yet string together wins week after week.

  21. By Big O on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Everybody calm down, the good thing is most of them will be playing by the playoffs, in 2010 it was all IR and we made it through that one! If we keep AR standing we still can be hard to beat!!

  22. By larry on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe the way these guys train is part of the injury bug. But another part is the players in the league are getting bigger and faster, which leads to more injuries

  23. By billfromc'ville on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I wouldn’t consider our D line too thin when we have Worthy and Daniels both healthy. They are both developing very well.

  24. By Phil Paul on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Where is Samkon Gato when you need him

  25. By David Janschutz on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Get a trainer, that knows, what he or she is doing…..

  26. By NlGERlAGUEST on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    So much fart research!
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    flatus. However, most farts contain very little
    oxygen, and you may experience dizziness if you are inhaling overly concentrated fart essence,
    simply from lack of oxygen. On the other hand, if you are inhaling farts in the open air and are breathing rapidly in order to inhale as much fart as possible, you may be hyperventilating, which also induces dizziness.

  27. By tlvincent4 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    At what point in time does McCarthy finally realize that he needs to make some serious changes in his strength/conditioning program, its pretty obvious to anyone that follows this team that they need to spend a lot more work on flexibility training. They have more hamstring injury situations than the entire league put together and its every year.

  28. By Kev4 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    So depressing in here man, Hey all you downers, we got Ryan Grant back! whaaaaaaaat? bada$$!

  29. By Gr812noe on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Jake Long and Lesean McCoy are free agents next year. Just throwing it our there.

  30. By Mark on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    Opie . . .

    You need to go out and find some friends.

  31. By Mark on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    So, I just took a casual look at the injury report for “Hamstring Injuries”. Here’s the link if you want to look yourself. ( http://espn.go.com/nfl/injuries )

    There are 32 teams in the NFL and not surprisingly only 10 teams have players with hamstring injuries – seems that almost 70% of the teams are doing something right.

    And of those 10 teams only 3 teams have (2) or more players with a hamstring injury, Green Bay being one of those teams. Basically, 91% of the NFL does not have two or more players on their roster with a hamstring injury. Can something be improved in Packerland?

    TEAM/# of hamstring injuries/Position

    ATLANTA: (1) S
    BUFFALO: (1) WR
    GREEN BAY (2) LB and WR
    HOUSTON (2) G and LB
    OAKLAND (1) FB
    SAN DIEGO (2) TE and WR

  32. By Mark on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    I also started looking at the Strength & Conditioning / Nutritional coaching staffs of teams NOT on the “Hamstring Injury” the list.

    Many of these teams utilize a S&C coach who has a background in soccer, so Stanley’s comment is spot on.

    Also, a lot of teams have a dedicated Nutritionist, but the Packers don’t seem to have one. Zac Woodfin on the Packer’s staff supposedly “guides” team members in nutrition – not sure what that means – though he has no nutritional science background.

    Could this be a factor too? Who knows for sure, but with the rash of injuries, I would be looking at everything.

  33. By Mark on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    Forgive me for being long-winded but my “Hamstring List” didn’t even include The Packer’s Desmond Bishop who had hamstring surgery early in the year and D.J. Williams who had a hamstring injury this past October. So we actually have (4) players with hamstring injuries. League Leaders that’s for sure, and I’m sure I’m missing several other players too.

    If my memory serves me right we had just as many hamstring injuries in years past.

    Matthews, Finley, Starks, Pickett, Grant, Tauscher

    Clifton, Jones, Chillar – released because of Hamstring Injury, Nelson, Matthews, Zombo, House

    The more I look at this the more I see a pattern. I cannot say this happens with every one of the NFL’s 32 teams but it’s obvious that The Packers have some issues needing attention.

    Logically, it seems just a bit too random that over 10%-15% of our players can come down with hamstring injuries each of the past 3 years. Is this the league average, do we happen to pick Hamstring-Injury-Prone players, or is there another reason? It also seems a bit too random that The Packers current Strength and Conditioning Coach, Mark Lovat, was promoted to Head Conditioning Coach in February 2010.

  34. By Art Kohn on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    It’s time to take a serious look at our training staff. This many injuries, year after year. Something is not right. The trainers are not getting these guys ready in the off season and not managing them well enough during the season. Come on Man!

  35. By sonovabeach on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    How about this idea on dealing with injuries league wide.
    Cut the preseason by two games.
    Give 16 teams bye’s on week 6, and the other 16 bye’s on week 7.
    Same with weeks 11 and 12.
    Get some hard data on how many days a body needs to rest between games and take a good look at eliminating Thursday night football.

    Get Goddell to understand that we want the best team to be crowned champion and not necessarily the one that escaped more injuries than the other teams heading into the playoffs.

  36. By Bri on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    I went to a Packer game this year and was shocked at GB players pregame warm-ups. The opponents (Saints) warm-up time was mostly spent doing organized stretching as a team, while the Packers were playing catch(even if they were not receivers)or anything they wanted and spent very little time on organized loosening techniques. No wonder we lead the league in muscle related injuries.

  37. By Mark on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    Wow! If that’s the case Bri, something needs to change tomorrow! That is absolutely absurd. Hopefully they do it in the locker room . . . Doesn’t sound likely. Hopefully, they take this seriously, for their own good.

  38. By Kevin on Dec 8, 2012 | Reply

    I love all of the “experts” on here who know more about football than all of the coaches, doctors, and players who have been doing this stuff at a high level for years… Armchair idiots.

    The latest research shows that stretching doesn’t prevent injuries (see here: http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/18/skip-the-stretch-before-running-%E2%80%94-it-doesnt-prevent-injuries/

    and here:


    If that is true, and none of us here are qualified to contradict those studies, then it doesn’t make a bit of difference if they stretch or not.

    Even if those studies are wrong, then it covers a couple of players. The rest of the injures are a result of the violence of the game. How do you condition a collarbone to keep it from breaking? Or condition ankles not to sprain from contact? How about Bishops injury, which was a result of someone falling on his leg and partially tearing the muscles in his leg? You can’t condition for that.

    Come back second guess the professionals when any of you have any sort of proof other than what you think you know.

  39. By Jim on Dec 9, 2012 | Reply

    @Mark: Thanks for the thoughtful and excellent research, Mark. It makes everyone take a step back and consider ALL aspects of the game. Now, why was opie hating on you in such an irrational manner? He seemed a bit dislodged from reality for a moment there.

  40. By Dick Fitswell on Dec 9, 2012 | Reply

    Neal is hurt??? Shocking.

  41. By Jeff Millard on Dec 9, 2012 | Reply

    We need to get Jordan Miller who could be a horse inside at DT signed and into the flow, he is just sitting on the practice squad. Also we need to get Vic So’oto some reps at outside LB rushing the passer along with Francois some reps at inside LB. Keep in mind I have been saying all year we had a hidden gem in Barclay sitting on the bench for OL….watch him blossom now!!

  42. By wayne on Dec 9, 2012 | Reply

    Are there any TVantenna users out there? Are you getting channel 6 for the game tonight? Mines blacked out,just like the Lions QB is going to be tonight!!!!

  43. By Art Kohn on Dec 13, 2012 | Reply


    What makes you such an angry and insulting man? Let people express their opinions, I think there is something in the constitution about that. Besides, wise men are always receptive to open dialogue. Sometimes the wisest of those men even learn something, even if the source was an “armchair idiot.” You never can tell where a good idea might come from. Who knows, you might even have one.

  44. By Mark on Dec 13, 2012 | Reply

    What Kevin says must be true because he referenced the “Internet,” and everything on the internet is true.

    First, WebMD really? That is a propaganda machine backed by Big Pharma. It acts like an independent source but it is not. Why don’t you take one of their online tests and see if you are diagnosed with a problem that can be solved by a drug. I bet anyone who does will have something that can be cured with a pill.

    Secondly, 1-2 tests mean nothing Kevin. Did you know that over 19,000 studies have been performed over the past 30 years on Coffee? Now that’s a track record with data to back it up. In fact, there have been more STUDIES on coffee than there were participants in the WebMD runners study you purport as fact.

    Finally, you assume that running is similar to football. It is not. I agree that you run in football, but that’s about it. In football, there is a lot of starting, stopping, turning, twisting, accelerating, decelerating, foot-planting, moving forward, moving backward, cutbacks, lunging, diving, lifting, squatting, driving, rolling, powering, standing around sweating or getting cold, etc. Today when I went for a run I don’t recall doing any of these things except running forward.

    All I have been saying is that The Packers have a history of certain injuries over the past few years. The easy out is to say it’s the nature of the sport. Yes, it’s a contributing factor I’m sure. However, if there was a way to reduce certain injuries by determining and using preventive measures, shouldn’t The Packers investigate that? I’m saying The Packers probably need to look at their “Nutrition and Conditioning” programs and who runs them as a potential liability in their performance matrix that contributes to their injury list. That’s all.

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