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McCarthy not buying challenge explanation

Posted by Mike Spofford on August 10, 2013 – 5:18 pm

He could smile and laugh about it because it was the preseason, but Mike McCarthy clearly wasn’t buying the explanation he got for why his challenge of a call at the goal line was overruled on Friday night.

On their first offensive drive of the night, the Packers went for it on fourth-and-goal at the 2-yard line and handed off to RB James Starks, who was tackled and ruled down at the 1. Trying to push through the pile, Starks appeared to reach the ball out across the goal line without his knee hitting the ground, so McCarthy challenged the play, only to see the call on the field upheld.

Asked for the explanation he got from referee Carl Cheffers, McCarthy obviously wasn’t satisfied.

“The ball was over the goal line. Carl said he could not see his knee,” McCarthy said. “His hip was three feet off the ground, so I couldn’t see his knee either.

“You can figure that out … at least three feet off the ground.”

For a full recap of McCarthy’s Saturday press conference, click here.

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47 Responses to “McCarthy not buying challenge explanation”

  1. By Rick on Aug 10, 2013 | Reply

    Starks got gypped.

  2. By Andrey on Aug 10, 2013 | Reply

    Well, the pre-season is there to warm up for the season. I guess Green Bay will need to warm up for another season of terrible referee calls.

  3. By Bob on Aug 10, 2013 | Reply

    Coach, stop whining and develop a REAL running game! And, the defense still sucks! The Pavk will be fortunate to compete in the division….no chance for the Suoer Bowl unless the offensive line and the defense get their $hit together! As a 40 year Packer fan…….t am worried about this group!

  4. By Lagos on Aug 10, 2013 | Reply

    One preseason loss and we’re going to be FORTUNATE to keep up with the rest of the division, eh? Packers were middle of the road (admittedly low end of middle) last year, if they’re even slightly improved, does that not equal a “real” running game? Do only the top 10 rushing teams have a “real” running game, and do you NEED or WANT a “real” running game with how consistent Rodgers is?

  5. By Nick on Aug 10, 2013 | Reply

    Bob, you need to get your s*** together. It was a preseason game, means absolutely nothing right now and in the longterm. I thought the first team o-line looked significantly better that last seasons, I believe the defense will take a step forward this year, and you’ll see it when all the starters play together. As for the running game, yeah you’re right it stunk last night, but that’s because the first o-line only got one series, but once again they looked significantly better. Also once again you’ll start to see an improved run game when our 2 best backs get on the field in 2 weeks, I can guarantee you that. It’s early, it’s preseason, calm down. We’re a good team.

  6. By Mike from Chicago on Aug 10, 2013 | Reply

    Don’t understand why Starks got so many reps. Is he all we had there last night. I would have expected Franklin to get more than he did. As for the W/L, doesn’t matter at this point, but the number of long completions on our D is a bit concerning.

  7. By Bob on Aug 10, 2013 | Reply

    Nick & Lagos……yes, it is pre-season, but you cannot argue that the Pack O-line almost got the league’s best QB killed last year. And, the defense had big holes. If some improvement is your standard performance, I suggest that a HUGE improvement is needed. Just winning the division is a low level of expectation. And don’t you think the other NFC opponents have improved, too! The 49ers, Falcons, and Saints are not just sitting on their hands. McCarthy needs to make better decisions! Let’s check back after the first 6 games of the season. I hope you are right……..but I fear I am right!

  8. By mike on Aug 10, 2013 | Reply

    Bob We are revoking your Packers Fanship. First of all it is the first preseason game. What do YOu want MM to do? There wasn’t that many big name O line prospects out there on the market. Is it Going to be a rough year at O line? Yes. It was last year and we did pretty well. As far as our defense….. Its been fine the past few years. It has a lot of holes that we addressed. Other teams put up big numbers because they are down multiple TDs going into the fourth. You’ve been a fan for how long….. and You’re complaining about arguably the best team we’ve had in your generation? Get Your $hit together man.

  9. By justin on Aug 10, 2013 | Reply

    All that mattered to me in the game last night was that our starters on offense moved the ball against the cardinals starters, and our starting defense only allowed one first down before they were taken off the field. Our second and third string did suck it up though.

  10. By Bob on Aug 10, 2013 | Reply

    Mike….I will be happy to eat my words at the end of the season if the Pack actually improves. BTW, Capers is the guy who needs to get his $hit together!

  11. By mike on Aug 10, 2013 | Reply

    I do agree with you there Bob! We have some of the best talent last year on D. Clay, Raji, Chuck(hated to see him go), and Tramon and we still couldn’t put it together. Ill be surprised if we don’t depart with Capers if its another repeat of last year. In his defense we have a very young secondary, which hopefully means room to grow.

  12. By KURT on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    Chill out the pack lost to the browns in preseason last year. The Cards went to the superbowl not that long ago. They have had to deal with horrible quarterbacks ever since warner retired. Now maybe with Carson and the other new guys at qb they’ll be able to compete this year. Quit trippin out GO PACK!

  13. By airpacker12 on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply


  14. By Wendy on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    Here we go again. Bad calls from stupid zebras..unless Stark has grown into a giant, I don’t thing ANY human being has a hip to knee length of 3 feet! Wow. It’s only preseason but come on man!

  15. By bigDaddy on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    I Know its the preseason but it concerns me when you look at the very thing we spent the off season trying to improve still looks the same, same. no o-line running game, bad safety play, horrid return game. we could write it off as the preseason or, maybe its a microcosm of whats to come. Whatever it is I/we got to keep the faith. Pack Super bound!

  16. By Scott. S on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    the referee team has to find out who deserves to make the team and who deserves to be cut, just like any other nfl team

  17. By Rusty Draper on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    Preseason games are like practice it happens to be against another team. You learn from it and go on.

  18. By Larry on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    I can’t believe all these negative “fans” ! Back off and let McCarthy play everyone and see what we have. Quit complaining until we see our starting team on Sept 8th. What a bunch of cry babies !

  19. By Lawyer of CHRIST on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    from my understanding we have been here for a very long time, wiped out 83 times over a period of 2-3 hundred million years, we have also had visitors throughout that period, these facts are written in stone all over the world. So from my perspective, no doubt in my mind, the pyramids all over the world esp considering they are all located on lay lines and all so similar in design could definitely be what you are saying, as in Harmonic generators, Tesla knew what he was doing with harmonics too, we humans really need to consider our origins, 5000 years bah humbug, millions with some help or we are them, which i think is much more likely, but with out all of their dna strands. Crystals and Pyramids
    and what ever else you may wish to do to enhance your dna, believe me it works.

  20. By Wendy on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    “the referee team has to find out who deserves to make the team and who deserves to be cut, just like any other nfl team by Scott S”

    This is the best response I’ve seen so far on this article. You are 100% right Scott S – Good call.

    BTW yes it’s the 1st game of the preseason and we were 2-2 the year we went to the SB and won. It’s practice people! GO PACK GO!

  21. By jeff on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    If McCarthy can learn to use the red pflag all will be well in PackerLand…whats more, Bakhtiari has already beat out Newhouse and Young looks like a Quarterback, what more could we want, at this point?

  22. By Ben on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    Bob, have you noticed who we have as our quarterback? Also, Eddie Lacy was not playing. You should be an Eagles fan. Green Bay fans don’t talk like that. Green Bay fans SUPPORT their team.

  23. By Ryan on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    lol here we go with another season of these ‘so called Packer fans” calling for TT, DC, and MM head smh..

  24. By KingAaronXLV on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    The only one making sense is Lawyer of Christ…at least he’s not trying to give advice to an organization that knows how to win Championships.

  25. By Deadcheese on Aug 11, 2013 | Reply

    Dude, our depth at the D-line last season didn’t have many options. Capers was basically forced to use that scheme to try and keep talent and speed on the field to atleast try and cause turnovers; if not plain stop them. You obviously can’t stop someone with two d-linemen so you gotta use dime packages. We have the talent from db’s to do so. Think, brotha!

  26. By CornHolio on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    It was disappointing to get a loss, but it was nice to see our coach test his minions in a crucible. At least we don’t live with our heads in the clouds, thinking we are going to walk through 6 Super bowls in a row.

    The way the Sea-hawks think. I now live in Seattle, they wouldn’t have even made the play offs without the “Fail Mary” and now think they are a dynasty. HA! Reality is an ugly mother some don’t need to wake up next to and then have to chew their arm off to get away from – good luck with the Viking rejects Harvin and Rice(when they don’t have headaches, or are tired, or just don’t feel like playing, …etc.).

    But getting back to the pre season.
    Hugh Lauries’ dad said it best “Any idiot can win” (He was an Olympic champion sculler), when you think about it he’s right, especially in pre season.
    I hope the Packers keep up the winning tradition all others try to emulate.
    It is, after all, pre season. We have the best, we are just trying to pick the best from the rest.

    GO PACK GO!!!!

  27. By CornHolio on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    Oh yeah, Tavaris Jackson too.
    That sounds like a not too good Vikings team from 5 years ago;
    Tavaris Jackson, Sydney Rice and Percy Harvin.
    Maybe in a couple years they could get the williams’ brothers and Jared Alen?

    Oy Vey!

  28. By northerner on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    One play did not change the outcome of this game. The backups looked terrible. Heck maybe in the second game the Powerful Packer Offense will score some points even if they lose. The first game must have been just an extension of practice as some have mentioned. By the fourth preseason game it might be coming close to real……

  29. By Odin's Eye on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    Dom Capers has the necessary talent. He just doesn’t have the coaching skills required to develop this talent. The team improved from 31st to 11th last year, but still gave up huge games when they counted.

    I agree that it only is pre-season. But at some time during pre-season, you learn how to win.

  30. By sean on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    there has to be some filter on this site that won’t let me post the word good after Harrell’s name. I’ve tried and tried but they just won’t let me. im serious. over 60% completion rate and drops too

  31. By sean on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    ran a great read option play diving for a first down after the LDE91 dropped back, also led the ball into cardinal territory 3 of the first 4 drives. had little help from the back’s, newhouse looked really bad. Harrell also had a drive halted by the backup center.

  32. By sean on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    seriously, did you guys even watch the game? or just notice that the score was zero? score is not the only indicator of how well the team was playing. guess who got all the first downs. I dare you.

  33. By BIG CHEESE on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    Week one of preseason, keep it real “fans’. GO PACK GO!

  34. By John Denver's Gavel on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    Brett Favre would have lead us to numerous championships and would probably STILL be leading this team if he wasn’t run out of town. I say we make things right with Favre and try to convince him to get out on the field and start the process of winning once again!

  35. By Anthony on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    You must be high. Or joking.

  36. By Foxvalleyguy on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    I think Coach needs to knuckle-down, with his players. For 2 years, now, our defense has totally sucked….allowing WAY too many receptions, by our opponents, and also, too many missed tackles. Rogers was sacked, last year, more than ANYONE else in the league… I LOVE the Pack, and always will, but we need to “tighten-it-up” !!
    Aaron Rogers can’t do it alone…..

  37. By dgt178 on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    ….any of you that are saying that a bad call is ok because it’s preseason….are full of it…..A BAD CALL….IS A BAD CALLL….REGARDLESS….more needs to be done to be able to overrule bad calls…..(remember seattle?)……

  38. By Andy24 on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    Does anyone else think this was Starks audition to make the team? If it was I not so sure he makes the season opener. We know for sure we have Lacy and Franklin. That leaves Harris, Green, and Starks. I wouldn’t think we’ll carry five backs six including Kuhn so I think at this point Starks is on the hot seat. I would think we’ll get a good look at Green next week.

  39. By Hawaiian Cheese on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    Long time Packer fan from Hawaii. Preseason is “practice” and the Pack will come out of this learning from their mistakes and keep the rookies that “stepped up” and continue to step up consistently. The defense looked confused on a lot of plays. I like the way McCarthy is shifting the O line. Protect No. 12 and make some holes for the RBs. We are getting better at containing the run but are letting the WRs get by us. Aloha…

  40. By packer backer on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    John Denver the idiot

  41. By Greg on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    Ben your an idiot, Bob hit the nail on the head. I’ve been a packer fan just shy of 50 years. Are we supposed to look the other way when our management blows things? Is that what it takes to be a ‘true Packer fan’? Real fans Call BS when they see it not blindly follow the talentless leadership of their team out of some blind misplaced allegiance. Capers sucks period, so does McCarthy and Thompson hired them and keeps them around. We were the only team to be shut out. That speaks volumes. More of the same nonsense with these jokers. We have mostly the right players, we don’t have the right leaders.

  42. By olrdneck on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    Been a packer backer since 1955!! that’s right before Lombardi!! Real fans roll with the punches. We have a good nucleus of players and coaches. Lets see where we stand in January 2014 before we scream for heads to roll! And Favre was good but our defense! got us to the Super Bowls despite Favre! Rodgers is the better q.b. of the two!! To our real fans-GO PACK GO!!!

  43. By brad on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    go pack. pre-season is just practice:)

  44. By smoknmack on Aug 12, 2013 | Reply

    Go Pack! I am still looking forward to start of season…..

  45. By ATLPackrfan on Aug 14, 2013 | Reply

    Greg, congratulations on being a Packer fan for 50 years. I’ll make sure I get your 50-year Packer fan plaque in the mail soon. That being said, it doesn’t appear that you’re a very bright Packer fan. Who cares that we were shut out in a preseason game? IT WAS A PRESEASON GAME. In other words, it was practice. Furthermore, our first team offense marched right down the field. Had this been a regular season game, we get at least 3 points from that drive alone and probably many more over the course of an entire game. Relax! It’ll be OK.

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  47. By binky on Aug 14, 2013 | Reply

    I am a girl and grew up a packer fan. I agree, that if one is a true fan, you DO go with punches. The ups and downs of the games come and go. Just enjoy football everyone. And, we do have good management and a good coach. I never thought i could get over the Favre issue, but, most important, I am a “Packer” fan and that is what counts.ENJOY the game and quit being a bunch of cry babies.

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