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Ask Vic Halftime: Lions loss to Steelers huge for Packers

Posted by Vic Ketchman, packers.com editor on November 17, 2013 – 4:43 pm

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Sean from Saint Paul, MN

I’m looking for hope. Not seeing much. I’m glad Detroit lost.

The Lions’ loss in Pittsburgh is huge for the Packers. It’s as good as a win by the Packers. In my mind, whether the Packers win or lose to the Giants, the Packers will have to win in Detroit. I’m not suggesting in any way shape or form that this game isn’t important, but the Steelers’ win over the Lions could turn out to be the game of the year for the Packers. It might be this team’s DeSean Jackson punt return.

Joey from Rhinelander, WI

Players, not plays, right? OK, then why are the players always leaving the middle of the field wide open on defense?

Apparently because they can’t stop leaving the middle of the field open. The Packers are not scheming to leave the middle of the field open, if that’s what you’re asking.

Simon from Virum, Denmark

Is it just me or has the defense changed since the game vs. Ravens?

The Ravens began the day with the league’s No. 29 offense. Did we overrate the Ravens?

Justin from Newark, DE

Vic, the defense is frustrating me.

Justin, my inbox is a place of overwelming frustration. I appreciate the frustration but I was getting it before the Giants had even scored. Shouldn’t we be a little more resilient? They’ve only allowed 10 points.

Pat from Altoona, WI

How about them Steelers?

Did I mention that the Lions lost?

Jason from Wausau, WI

You won’t post this, but I’m going to vent anyway. Third play of the game and the Packers are penalized for too many men on the field. That is all on the coaches. Unacceptable.

I agree, but you were wrong about me not posting your comment. I’m a good marketing copywriter.

Hunter from Neillsville, WI

Why don’t the Packers blitz Clay Matthews more often?

I think you’ll see more of that, but blitzing is a product of down and distance and the belief that you can get home with it. Remember, the other guys have a game plan, too.

Mohammed from Bayonne, NJ

Do you think Mike McCarthy should let Tolzien run some more passing plays? He seems like he has a hot hand.

I think he should let him warm to the occasion. This is his first pro start. Let him get a feel for it. I’m counting on the running game and the defense to buy him some time. We’ve got a long way to go, folks. Hang in there.


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133 Responses to “Ask Vic Halftime: Lions loss to Steelers huge for Packers”

  1. By Simon Grønlund on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Great half time column, Vic!

  2. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I still agree that it’s players not plays. However, I’m starting to think the D problem is not one group (players) or the other (coaches), but rather both.

  3. By brokenbackjack on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Why keep running the ball on 1st down mix it up man.

  4. By Matthew N. on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Vic, is there a reason why capers desires and undersized secondary?

  5. By Alan on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    That pic shows why McCarthy needs to keep the training wheels on Tolzien

  6. By Rick S. on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    FLYNNFLYNNFLYNNFLYNNFLYNN

  7. By Alan on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Secondary simply cannot cover well

  8. By Alan on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Is Johnny Jolly out?

  9. By Bill on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    What a JOKE! The 2013 packers are the most pathitic excuse for a pro football team I have ever seen.

  10. By Canadian Bill on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Aaron please heal up fast

  11. By Bill on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I wonder when they will realize theyre zone defense couldnt even stop a nosebleed. Do they make any adjustmensts week to week? Is there a coaching staff on this team? Its the same issues week in and week out. Im almost embarrased to be a fan of this team.

  12. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I think you are overreacting a little, Bill. That said, I do hope fans (like me) realize how good we had it during the winning streak and with Rodgers at centre

  13. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Vic, we’re all frustrated and you just saw why. Triple coverage and the receiver is allowed to WAIT for the ball. Nobody closed in and made a play on the ball.

    They were in tackling drill mode. Let him make the catch so you can be sure to make the tackle… at the 10 yard line. Held them to a FG? That’s because the Giant’s offense is largely struggling this year.

    If Big Bro were opposite this team, he’d pick this defense apart. So, don’t downplay the paying (and “non paying”) customer’s frustrations. You can see the writing on the wall just like we can.

    Rodgers can’t save this team (and hasn’t) if the defense plays like this. He won’t be on the field long enough.

  14. By Rick S. on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    They couldn’t cover a terd with a twenty foot tarp.

  15. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Offense needs to make some plays, too. This defense is laughing at them. :(

  16. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Bill, I still love this team and I’ll follow it whether they suck or not. However if you feel differently, please feel free to bandwagon another team

  17. By CAW on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Anyone else see the fake a mile away? Why else take the penalty?

  18. By Ken Peterson on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I live in Florida and don’t often get to see the Packers. Over the past two years, every game I’ve been able to watch, they have lost. I’ve felt that I was a jinx. However, the past two games have shown me that I am not the problem. Our defense sucks. They couldn’t stop my sister from opening another Budweiser. I feel a lot better about myself.

  19. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Who said anything about not being a fan?

    I’m disappointed in their play because I AM a fan. Unless you were talking about the “terd” remark.

  20. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Good effort. Risky, and it got close. But I like it. Wouldn’t change a thing.

  21. By Bill on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I dont care who QB’s this team. If the D is going to play cupcake football all year there is no point in even getting exited for GB games.

  22. By Canadian Bill on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    MM is trying everything possible. Good for him It didnt work but what the heck

  23. By Bill on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I like to describe this team as a dumpster fire. That about sums up this team purrrty accurately.

  24. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I was not talking to you Mike. I was talking to Bill. I completely agree with your frustration, Mike. I agree 100% with it

  25. By Alan on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Secondary play is simply abysmal. They don’t look back for the ball and keep the D on the field on 3rd down.

  26. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I give credit to MM for trying, but can we talk about the refs call/no-calls for a moment. It seems to vary from game to game. I don’t know what’s a penalty anymore

  27. By Chad on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    About to get ugly. Best we can hope for is a bad throw by Eli, or to hold them to a field goal. Problem with a fake punt, is you rely on our bad defense to stop the Giants after they take over on the 37 yard line. Yeah, big time risk…if our defense was better, i’d feel alot better about the fake.

  28. By Chad on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    20-6, game over.

  29. By DCkasekopf on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    The defense needs work. But half of them are on crutches. And I’m not sure it makes a difference if you can only score 6 points.

  30. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    on the bright side, we are still on the race for the division… even though the Bears won

  31. By sandy becker on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Wow- I am finally on board with the Dom Haters!! Defense is just Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  32. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    There is just something wrong on defense. I am a scientifically minded person. There is something wrong during preparation week. There are a lot of good players on this defense, yet they look terrible.

    Players and plays. Scheme to leave the field open? No.

    But why does it keep happening? What is happening during practice that is causing it to happen? These same players were playing well earlier in the year. Now they are not.

    Plays and Players.

  33. By Aaron on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I’m getting sick of losing to the giants, wake me up when rogers gets back. like it even matters by then

  34. By Oli on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    All we have is Rodgers we cannot win without him

  35. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    DCkasekopf, that’s why I don’t hate Capers. If I had to fire a coach it will be whoever is in charge of the secondary… DBs and CBs can’t cover air

  36. By Bill on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I was usually one to give Capers the benefit of the doubt this year, but I feel like im watching the same game on repeat every week. CAPERS NEEDS TO GO. we should all pitch in and put up a billboard in green bay

  37. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Roger that Harvester. I agree. Triple coverage can’t stop Cruz?

    What was it that allowed Shields to cover AJ earlier in the year?

    What was it that allowed House to have a career day several weeks ago?

    I guess DC is right…. Matthews isn’t enough on his own. We need Perry back to complement him.

  38. By Oli on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    The defense has no difference makers not even Mathews and he’s proving it in this game. Bad players, bad coaching. Rodgers better play against the Vikings

  39. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I like your thinking Mike. Defensive coordinators scheme for the game. It is the job of the position coaches, well, coach the players. I want to know how the secondary is trained. Whatever they are teaching, it is obviously not working

  40. By Jakob on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Scott looks good, I know he threw that INT, but we need to rely on him, the running game is going nowhere, where is it going…nowhere.

  41. By kevin McDonough on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Wow, defense just has no answers

  42. By packers_2k13 on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Doesn’t matter who the qb is the defense is TERRIBLE

  43. By Ken on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Aaron doesn’t play defense.

  44. By Chad on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    @Oli, frustrating as it is…I believe you are 100% correct. Without Rodgers this team is sub .500. I honestly didn’t feel that way before Rodgers went down. I can’t believe he was masking all this…unbelievable how good he is, isn’t it?

  45. By Roger on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Vic, and Packer fans, let’s get real! The Packer defense SUCKS, and it has for the past two years! It has relied on Rodgers to bail them out with 31 pts. or more, and that ain’t happening now. As long as Rodgers is out there is NO HOPE! Thompson and McCarthy might want to consider getting a defensive unit for the future, now that they know what happens when Rodgers is out!!

  46. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    This is why I don’t turn the game off, though. :)

    Now we need a TD off of this! Get it done!

  47. By fromeo on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    VIC,YOUR JUST AS BAD AS ALL THE PACKER BACKERS!! IF THE PACKERS CAN’T WIN, THEN LETS PRAY THAT THE OTHER TEAMS LOOSE! WHAT A STRATEGY!! YOU EVEN STAND BEHIND CAPERS!!! TED TURNER NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING HE SHOULD OF DONE 2 YEARS AGO, GET RID OF CAPERS!!!! IF HE DOESN’T, THEN HE NEEDS TO GO TO. ARE DEFENSE HAS BEEN NOT HORRIBLE, BUT THEY TOTALLY SUUUUCK!!! HE SHOULD OF HAD FYNN STARTING THE SECOND HALF, BUT NOOOOOO,LETS STICK WITH PRACTICE SQUAD QUARTER BACK!!!! TO SEE CAPERS GO

  48. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    And we still hear KUUUHHHHHHHNNNN in NY :)

  49. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    YES! COMMITMENT!

  50. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Oli, it is hard to be a difference maker when your hand is in a cast and your job is to sack the QB. If you ever try it, let me know how much of an impact on a game you have

  51. By fromeo on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    PRICLESS

  52. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Fromeo… stop yelling at people.

  53. By Eli S on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Beginning of fourth quarter…we will score a TD to bring it within 7, our defense will then collapse and we lose by 17.

  54. By DCkasekopf on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Yeah– I don’t know why nobody plays the ball anymore. If you don’t look for the QB at some point, all the advantage goes to the WR. At least Scott is playing well for a rookie and with a beat up line no less. Let’s see if that gives the D some spark.

  55. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I can tell how big of a “fan” fromeo is by calling Ted Thompson, Ted Turner. Anyhow, Lacy is a beast. To me that guy was the steal of the draft.

  56. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    WOW!! What a sack! Very bad adjustment calls by Manning! Awesome jump by Jones!

  57. By montanapackfan on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Here’s my Christmas wish…all who whine and call for heads have to eat crow rather than turkey.

    Roll on Green Roll on

  58. By Derek on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    have faith

  59. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Well, it looks like that TD sparked this defense. That was the most impressive defensive series today!

  60. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    LOL montanapackfan!!!

  61. By Chad on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Man the penalties.

  62. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I have to give props to Matthews. It is hard for a OLB to play with a cast and still be as effective as he was this series.

  63. By montanapackfan on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Manning sacked twice in the last series….is this the beginning of that frustration face Eli is famous for and when the INT’s come in bunches?

    Roll on Green Roll on

  64. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I hope so! Let the Manning Interception machine begin!

  65. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    *sigh*

  66. By Bill on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    GAME OVER! thanks scoots.

  67. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    and just like that our backup QB shows why he is a backup

  68. By Aaron on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    past 3 weeks pack has been pathetic, and we are still going to lose
    maybe next year we can be a wildcard

  69. By montanapackfan on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Well looks like it’s me that eats the blackbird…it sure is stringy.

    Still love the pack…Roll on Green Roll on

  70. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    He had Lacy open, it was his inexperience at the position. He stared his receiver down.

  71. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    He is a “rookie” so he paid the price for staring down his receiver… again

  72. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I’m in until the bloody end. 11 minutes to play. Get the ball back at least. Move it, score, and stop the Giants and score again.

  73. By fromeo on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    MM IS A GENIUS!!!! ‘ COACH OF THE YEAR ‘ NEXT ,HE’L PUT CROSBY IN AT QUARTERBACK!! ‘ TED TURNER AND MIKE MCCARTHY ‘ PRICELESSS!

  74. By rrfpacker on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Why is it only Packer backup quarterbacks can’t win a game and other team’s backups crush them. This team is truly inept.

  75. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    You and I said the same thing, Mike. lol

    I wondered how pissed is Rodgers on the sidelines. After all, all he can do is watch the game

  76. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    rrfpacker, I see your sentiments… McCown is at least experienced. Foles has shown ability as of late. However, he wasn’t a hero at the start either.

    The problem is, Tolzien is making bad reads from time to time. You don’t throw to a covered receiver behind the Line of Scrimmage.

    Its tough on him. :(

  77. By Bill on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    …and they dont even have the balls to go for it on fourth and 1 down by 2 TDs. So sad…

  78. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Punting? Risk it, go for it.

    Its the only logical conclusion. Or they fake it twice? :p

  79. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Wishful thinking :p

  80. By fromeo on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I THOUGHT YOU GET MORE YARDS GOING NORTH AND SOUTH THAN EAST AND WEST? somebody better tell THE GENIUS PLAY CALLER!!!!! OH, THAT WOULD BE MM.

  81. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    INT! INT! INT! :p

  82. By CAW on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    And as bad as we’re playing we’ll still only be one game out of first in our division… Glad the rest of the division sucks as much as we do.

    GET WELL SOON RODGERS!!!

  83. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Tolzien is rookie and as such he is paying the price of playing in the NFL. That’s the downside/beauty of the NFL, you can only learn on the field

  84. By montanapackfan on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Fromeo…you are the dumbest troll on the planet. Ted Turner….that is priceless

  85. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t know, fromeo…. I saw Tolzien’s inexperience. If Rodgers were in, and the same play were called I bet it would have been a great success.

    Tolzien is, unfortunately, a very inexperienced backup. :(

  86. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    time for the giants to kill the last 8 minutes. that’s how we roll now, right?

  87. By Bill on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Alright! Ready to watch the giants chew up the last 6 mins without the GB defense getting a stop… I would expect nothing different!

  88. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Unfortunate. If we hold them to a FG and score a TD, this will be hauntingly familiar. :(

  89. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    please montanapackfan, don’t feed the troll… that’s what he is looking

  90. By montanapackfan on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Listening to the game via 620WTMJ since my region plays the Seahawks and Denver. It’s not any easier listening than watching…does our “d” show up and can Tolzien mount a comeback?

    Roll on Green Roll on

  91. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    At least they’re getting their stats for their performance bonuses, right?

  92. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    against one of the most intercepted QBs in the league, the packers secondary managed 1 int so far… yup. I definitely want to talk to the DBs and CBs position coaches. Clearly there is something not right

  93. By packers_2k13 on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    lol

  94. By montanapackfan on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Good point Harvester…could not stop myself, immersed in angst here.

    Roll on green roll on

  95. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    At least its not the end of the Road… The Giants knew going into this game that they had to win to make the playoffs. I bet Rodgers will be lobbying to p lay next week.

    I doubt the doctors will clear him, though.

  96. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Like Mike said, at least the defensive line is getting garbage stats. Moreover, Matthews looks a little more comfortable with the cast than with he club he had last week

  97. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    is Tolzien suicidal?!! That was the scariest play of the game, by far!

  98. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I think Tolzien is getting some good experience, though. I get a kick out of the announcers saying that he needs to not run like that because he might get injured.

    Dudes, this is a football league. He’s trying to win for crying out loud.

    This kid has heart, and I like him.

    In other notes, the usual Giants “injury” to slow the Packers down. Give me a break.

  99. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Seriously, though… Tolzien needs to nip his nerves and the INTs will go away. He is a skilled player, but he’s still young in this league.

    I agree with Vic, I think he’ll be a long term backup. He just needs to start stronger.

  100. By Bill on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Tolzien has some pathetic decision making skills. I hope to God AR plays next week. At least he can keep us in the game, even with this pop Warner defense.

  101. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    There you see it again. He needs to get his nerves under control.

  102. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    i know!!! I hate watching Giants games because they always get a mysterious injury. And just to keep the record on ints. That’s 3 for Giants and 1 for the Packers

  103. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Bill, you’re talking about a guy who has been a practice squad QB. He got desperate.

    His decision making skills suffer greatly when it gets hasty. Unfortunately, he’s no AR. :(

    He should have never been in this position.

  104. By Swamp on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I’ve been saying this for two years and still get yelled at here and told I have no idea and all that jazz. Hey Vic! You may be the smartest person alive but you missed the boat on this one. Capers needs to take a hike. Our defense just plays bad football. And before Rodgers went down it was masked by us outscoring other teams. I’m tired of the BS about supposedly not knowing what you know Vic. Capers, if for no other reason than to send a message to this defense, MUST GO!

  105. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Mike, I agree with you. As much as I would like to throw some blame on Tolzien, the kid has some flashes of “greatness” in him. He just needs to be polished

  106. By montanapackfan on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Third INT…that about raps it up folks. I’ll have my crow with a little ketchup please. The only positive I can see from today’s games is that Detroit lost. Optimism is a lonely place to be these last three games. Arod we sure need you back.

    Roll on Green Roll on

  107. By Bill on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Its not too late to tank the season and maybe draft in the top 10. 5 out of 7 picks at least need to be on defense. Need to gut this defense in the off season. Starting with the coordinator

  108. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    wow, Swamp. Your last argument is so compelling I totally changed my point of view and agree with you. “Vic. Capers, if for no other reason than to send a message to this defense, MUST GO!” This deserves consideration for Vic’s Hall of Fame.

  109. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Well, this one is over.

    On to next week.

    Sadly, Tolzien needs more than a week of prep. He needed to be there from the Training camp. That is one thing I will say.

    I am thoroughly disappointed in the Team Managements handling of the QB situation. I wasn’t as critical early, but I can’t ignore it. At least they owned up to it.

    Lick your wounds and move on to the next game.

  110. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    montanapackfan, I feel your pain. That’s why I was grateful and happy when we were winning. Eventually this was going to happen and then we will know what real misery looks like.

  111. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Mike, I think what surprised me the most about this whole QB debacle is the fact that Flynn was signed as a backup. Clearly, there is something about Flynn that doesn’t make him starter material. I don’t know. Maybe he’ll start next week. Let’s see what MM says

  112. By brokenbackjack on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I was expecting so much more from our secondary this year especially after Vic kept bragging them up during preseason. Don’t know what happened between then and now. Three guys on a receiver that is still wide open??????????????????????????????

  113. By Matt on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    CanT wait to see the video of MM’s press conference this week.

  114. By Mike on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I’d like to hop on the Fire Capers bus, but I can’t. I just can’t.

    I think the problem is during preparation. Something was working, and then it stopped. We said it last year, and that was that Matthews needs a reflection on the opposite side. That is where Capers’ scheme thrives.

    That mirror has been broken, and I can’t just say fire a coach. That mirror needs to be repaired. It starts with conditioning. It starts with technique.

    If you have poor core utilization and strength, you WILL hurt your back. So why do we keep losing major players to the same injuries? Tough to say.

    I don’t think that firing Capers will fix anything at all. The Defense needs a star that will remain on the field. Matthews is 75% back, but the other guys keep going out.

    We need those stars back.

  115. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I agree, brokenbackjack. could had understand a breakage in coverage once… but it happened several times. The secondary was in position to make plays, but instead they opted for covering each other and letting the WR run with the ball

  116. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Mike, the only reason why I’m not on the fire Capers bus is because I don’t really see bad scheming. The main job of a defensive coordinator is to scheme plays so the talent that’s available to him can stop the other team. Last year we said Matthews needed help, and Ted Thompson delivered in the form of Jones (who is in training) and Neil (the year before that).

    I see a defensive line that, with Matthews, is pretty effective. That’s because, as you point out, they have another good rushed on the other side of the line putting pressure. However, it seems that now the secondary got sloppy. You can’t blame scheme when you have 1 WR in triple coverage and he still catches the ball. Clearly, the scheme worked, which means Capers called the right play. Otherwise you wouldn’t have 3 DBs hovering near the ball. However, something is happening that players are not doing their job.

    I don’t know what it is, but whatever it is… THAT is what it needs to be addressed. If I had to power to talk to someone on the Packers organization I would go directly yo the DBs coach and asked him why is a double or triple coverage on an under thrown ball not resulting in INTs?

  117. By Jamie on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Capers has to start taking some of the blame for the Defense, since coming to GB the Defense has giving up big plays to often.Tired of hearing its the players when im know Capers has had a good mix of diffrent D players since he has been here.But it is the same thing no matter who is playing D.

  118. By Swamp on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Mike

    We won without a reflection. Why? Because we outscored other teams. The problems on defense always existed. They are an extension of this coaching staff and the man who runs the D. So just to be clear. The defense was NOT working. Rodgers does not play D. The D cannot step up because they are incapable. Rodgers puts us in a situation to score 30 or more and that puts the other team in a position or need to outscore us. Our D has no aggression at all. Again an extension of Capers and in reality McCarthy. If he cannot see it and if Vic continues to downplay it believing us fans just are clueless you will reap what you sow and this team will continue this trend.

  119. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    I completely disagree with you, Swamp. I do not think is a reflection on McCarthy and company the way the defence plays. Mike McCarthy just called 2 risky 4ht down plays and you don’t think that’s aggressive behaviour? BTW, all those points the Packers scored aren’t a reflection of his behaviour either? If you think yelling and screaming like Jim Harbaugh or Jim Schwartz on the sidelines is a synonym of aggression then you must hate Andy Reed and think the Chief are a weak team as well.

    It seems that with most fans here, there is no way to win an argument. If Capers calls too many blitzes then he sucks because he called too many blitzes. If he calls too little then he sucks because he called too little. As I stated previously, you can’t put it on Capers the fact that a 3 coverage doesn’t work. He is not the one on the field making the play. He is, however, the one who made that 3 coverage happened. It is the job of the players to take advantage of said opportunity, and for the past 3 games Green Bay’s secondary have not done so.

    Why is that? I have no freaking idea. Everyone talks about Capers, but I would like to talk to the defensive backs position coach. HE is the one in charge of training that group and making sure they perform. Why isn’t that happening? that, to me, is the million dollar question

  120. By Ed on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Doesn’t matter if Chicago or Detroit loses. The Packers are losing, that’s what matters.
    I repeat, fire Dom Capers and get a real strength and fitness coach (for next year).
    It’s over for this year.
    Vince Lombardi must be turning over in his grave.

  121. By Scott on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Hey! At least the Vikings got demolished today.

  122. By Scott on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Next three games predictions:

    Packers 31 Vikings 16
    Packers 21 Lions 20
    Packers 23 Falcons 14

    We become 8-5 and back in the race with the final 3 games being the key! It will come down the the final game with the Bears.

    Packers 37 Bears 24 Rodgers plays.

  123. By greg on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    i have been saying for 3 years now dom sucks it is definetly evident now he needs walking papers

  124. By Harvester on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    @Scott, let’s hope your prediction is right. 11-5 record might be what we need to get into the playoffs

  125. By Roger on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Scott, I agree with your prediction, if Rodgers is back. If not, it ain’t gonna happen!

  126. By mike.bogey on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    What does Ted Turner have to do with the Packers and firing Capers? Do you mean Ted Thompson numb nuts!

  127. By mike.bogey on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    By fromeo on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    VIC,YOUR JUST AS BAD AS ALL THE PACKER BACKERS!! IF THE PACKERS CAN’T WIN, THEN LETS PRAY THAT THE OTHER TEAMS LOOSE! WHAT A STRATEGY!! YOU EVEN STAND BEHIND CAPERS!!! TED TURNER NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING HE SHOULD OF DONE 2 YEARS AGO, GET RID OF CAPERS!!!! IF HE DOESN’T, THEN HE NEEDS TO GO TO. ARE DEFENSE HAS BEEN NOT HORRIBLE, BUT THEY TOTALLY SUUUUCK!!! HE SHOULD OF HAD FYNN STARTING THE SECOND HALF, BUT NOOOOOO,LETS STICK WITH PRACTICE SQUAD QUARTER BACK!!!! TO SEE CAPERS GO

    Do you mean Ted Thompson idiot?

  128. By ladyfan on Nov 17, 2013 | Reply

    Bill, go soak your head. This team doesn’t need “fans” like you.

  129. By Robert Ossig on Nov 18, 2013 | Reply

    Lions on Thanksgiving ??? Another loss and ruined holiday ! Packer’s 2013 season, ” Drop back and punt ” ! Wake up MM !!!

  130. By Hal Wentzel on Nov 18, 2013 | Reply

    Vic,
    You keep reminding us that this is a game of replacing players. I toss this idea out regarding the defense. Have the Packers taken this to the extreme at the expense of some veteran leadership? Maybe the Packers are missing some leadership that we had in a guy like Woodson.

  131. By Packers50 on Nov 18, 2013 | Reply

    Good thing all of that cap space sits in the bank. You get to take your cap space and put it in the bank VIC!! Preach cap space cap space – Yeah does you alot of good when you are starting ROOKIES all over the place. Unbelievably short sighted on BOTH VIC, MM AND TT. To some degree it is not Capers but his scheme CURRENLTY does match this personnel. Sadly this D is more suited to a 4-3. As they have more D-tackles making plays than LBS. Get hawk off the field and move D Jones over to DE with Neal as other DE. GET THEIR HAND IN THE DIRT. Mathews/Jones/Lattimore. Free those guys up to play. The pack does not have the horses to play 3-4. That is honest.

  132. By AL NEUBAUER on Nov 18, 2013 | Reply

    Lets hope they can right the ship. No running attack in New York also the QB was not hitting the right person. Lets hope they can do better next week.

  133. By Lakota on Nov 19, 2013 | Reply

    I have full confidence in Tolzien. He looks good but what is holding Coach McCarthy from starting the more experienced Matt Flynn?

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