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Khyri Thornton added to talent on defensive line

Posted by Vic Ketchman, packers.com editor on May 9, 2014 – 9:35 pm

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GREEN BAY–The Packers addressed an ongoing need for defensive linemen by selecting Khyri Thornton of Southern Mississippi with their first of two third-round draft choices on Thursday. Thornton, 6-3, 304, was selected with the 85th overall pick.

Thornton is a defensive tackle that will likely play defensive end in the Packers’ 3-4 defensive scheme.

“Classic three-technique tackle. Quick, explosive. Probably a two-gap end,” packers.com draft analyst Tony Pauline said of Thornton.

Thornton has been described as one of the most underrated players in the draft.

Packers.com has provided a full report on the third round.

 


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149 Responses to “Khyri Thornton added to talent on defensive line”

  1. By Jon on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Owe… not liking this draft… would have been in better position if three picks higher….21 is no man’s land

  2. By Tyler on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Bit of a reach, projected to go in the 5th round plus had off the field issues. So idk TT must really like this guy

  3. By Joe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Nope…Thornton was a reach!! Even if TT and company really liked this guy, they could have gotten him in the 4th, maybe even the 5th. And I’m a level 14 armchair QB…so I know what I’m talking about. ;)

  4. By Leonardo on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Jon- I couldn’t agree more. 21 is not being kind to the Packers. Every high value player is slipping away within 3 or 4 picks of the Pack. I don’t like this draft at all.

  5. By JK on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    REACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. By JK on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Justin Harrell Part 2

  7. By mazovoid on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Another wasted pick.

  8. By wiguyinmn on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    man, this draft has been ROUGH on us! Mosley goes 2 picks before us in the 1st. Niklas goes the pick before us in the 2nd. Nix goes 2 before us (after a free fall) in the 3rd. and we end up with some guy I’ve never heard of that had a 6th round grade in the 3rd. Oh well, who knows. I felt good about the 2011 & 2012 dras and they turned out to be mediocre, so what do I know?

  9. By Dennis on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Terrible pick TT messed this up should have moved up in 2nd rd to get a LB and Borland was there terrible pick

  10. By Ryan on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Projected in the 5th or 6th round, they could have easily traded back if this was their guy. I’m not understanding this pick…. even though he is said to be a “very underrated” player, I think this was a reach.

  11. By Daniel on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I hear projected round 5-6. What a waste of a pick. Wow. Picks like this are the reason our defense sucks. Justin Harrell, Michael Montgomery, Jeremy Thompson, Jarius Wynn…TT should just give up on picking d-lineman.

  12. By Ono on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Awesome. In TT we trust.

  13. By Tyler on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    They did the same thing will Mcmillan a few years ago was project like 5th round and got him in the 3rd

  14. By robert on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    need to watch his tape yall were saying the same aabout mike daniels believe me hes a young beast great solid safe pick…go pack go

  15. By Logan on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Is that a joke?!? Justin Harrell part 2. Why reach on a guy who is projected 2-3 rounds later. Our defense will once again hold us back this year. B-Jones starting at ILB is gonna be ROUGH. We have lacked consistent play there since Nick Barnett. Come on Ted!!!

  16. By Bob on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Wish we would have went O-line here! How can this guy be that high on Ted’s board when most other scouts have him rated as a 5th or 6th round player?? Known for missing tackles, not getting to the QB, and getting tired late in games?? Fans definitely need to remember this pick if he doesn’t live up to the higher-round standard.

  17. By Gabe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    lol at all the idiots on here ;D

  18. By Leonardo on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I laughed when Vic said that lots of teams were working hard to make a mistake during the draft. Not so funny when it’s our team…

  19. By jrip on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I think maybe we should wait to see what he does on the field before we say it was a reach pick.

  20. By Raphael on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    At this point, only Shane Skov or Trevor Reilly (although he is OLB, crazy energy), will make up for this reach of a pick…

  21. By zz top on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I think TT has lost his touch. That kid from Penn State had more upside than this kid does. Plus he sounds like trouble off the field down the road. :-(

  22. By Daniel on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I think they just panicked when Nix and all the TEs were gone. This guy is not Mike Daniels, I like the Justin Harrell comparison much more. Where does he fit in a 3-4 anyway? Another DT to DE conversion? Ya, that has worked out great in the past… TT should have moved up in to the top of the 3rd for Nix rather than cling on to his late round picks that won’t make the team anyway.

  23. By jbone on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    WTF? This pick makes no sense?? If it’s BAP, this is definitely NOT BAP.

  24. By jere on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I like all the picks! They know what there doing looking good

  25. By Joe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    No disrespect to my fellow Packers fans but kinda sick of the bit**ing and moaning going on. Clinton-Dix will be a solid starting, pro bowl caliber safety very shortly and Adams will be a solid replacement for James Jones. So no one has heard of Thornton, and Ted Thompson’s track record for drafting DT is questionable but Thornton is no Justin Harrell. Everyone was in love with Borland but even he had a 4th to 5th round grade and he went in the third. The draft is not an exact science just sit back, support the picks and enjoy whats to come.

  26. By Sticky on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I was hoping we could improve the defense by drafting a good linebacker. As of now, I’m just praying I don’t spend another 16 games screaming at slow and out-of-position linebackers.

  27. By jrip on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Who said we were staying a 3-4 defense?? Latest I heard was that we would adjust to the players we have.

  28. By Dagget on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Watching you pseudo-expert parrot what you read online is funny. You think you’re so much smarter than Ted. Good grief people, stop and think about what you say. Are you really such an expert? I don’t think so.

  29. By Grant on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Trade. Up.

  30. By jere on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    they know good players when they see them!!

  31. By JK on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Justin Harrell

  32. By jbone on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Even Leroy Butler thinks this pick was too early with this Tweet:

    “Pack 3rd pick very strong , but maybe to early for this pick , good first step , packers need that in the worst way”

  33. By JK on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Did I mention Justin Harrell?

  34. By jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I like this kid not sure whats up with the negative comments he is strong an fast

  35. By Raphael on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Hey Joe,

    I would make one correction to your “get a grip” comment….

    Davante Adams will be MUCH MUCH better than James Jones and it’s scary… His catch radius, basketball skills and separation makes him a hybrid between James Jones and Greg Jennings – 134 catches in one season!?? Rodgers throwing to an avg receiver makes him a good receiver, throwing to a GOOD receiver (adams) will make him an EXCELLENT receiver.

  36. By JK on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Case in Point………read this write up

    Defensive tackle: ok. I think that’s a position you can find somebody late, maybe like a Kyrie Thornton from Southern Mississippi, maybe a guy you think late in the draft. Maybe on Day 3,

  37. By JK on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Roger Roger

    Ha another dud….

  38. By JK on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Rodgers….nice summary here:

    •Routes are sloppy and lazy—almost always rounded off and takes a lot of wasted steps, which can throw off the timing of the route.
    •Struggles to fight through press coverage against stronger linebackers and lacks the elite speed to scare coverage linebackers away from getting physical with him off the snap.
    •Inconsistent hands and had quite a few bad drops due to a lack of focus.
    •Extremely limited as a blocker.
    •Lacks the lower body strength to hold his ground against more physical defensive ends and linebackers in the blocking game.
    •Relies heavily on the chop block technique, potentially to make up for his lack of ability to keep defenders engaged.
    •Slow to get out of his stance on the line of scrimmage at times and is often late to react to blitzing linebackers.
    •Lack of agility limits his catch radius and he is very inconsistent adjusting to poorly placed balls.
    •Limited experience—only started 11 career games.

  39. By robert on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    have any of u dudes who is complaining ever watched his tape i take sports video as my major and i dissect many football players hes a lil raw but has explosion he will line up next to bj raji and dominate two szteps faster then the young bj raji chalk it up

  40. By Pacman on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I love all of the comments from all the NFL GMs above saying TT is making bad choices……lets not forget withTT choices we have always made playoffs and we have even won superbowls. Until that changes I think some here should just get another beer put on your packers geer and relax.

  41. By Joe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Let’s remember, rounds 2 and 3 have historically been money rounds for the TT regime. I remember the outcry when the Pack drafted Nelson in the 2nd round and were not to high on Jermichael Finley and he went in the 3rd not to mention Josh Sitton Greg Jennings… on and on. These guys study football players for a living and if we just sit around and bash every pick we will be taking away from the experience. I believe that Thornton will make Raji better because it will allow him to play his natural position, DT, no more DE for Raji.

  42. By Daniel on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Maybe you should have spent less time on sports video and more time on grammar.

  43. By Dagget on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I love you dorks citing your “expert sources” …most of which couldn’t evaluate talent if their life depended on it. They’re reporters, pseudo-experts is all. If they were really all that good they’d be working for a real team rather than getting paid to blather their shallow opinions.

    Tell me hot shots, which one of your experts has a better NFL track record than Ted Thompson?

    Crickets.

  44. By Swamp on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Won the division last year at 8-7-1. (yea yea here come the injury nuts) Worst case we have another injury riddled season. And you think this draft cured anything? Losing faith in TT.

  45. By Carl on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    How many people here have watched tape on all the guys like TT? Or just going off what some media say?

  46. By whatswrongwithmyname on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Some of you guys are ridiculous. And it’s probably the same thing year after year. “We could have gotten this guy 2 rounds later.” How do you know? Because some blog said so? Get real. Same with the people complaining about the DT to DE conversions. That’s hoe you get 3-4 DE’s. The majority of 3-4 DE’s in the NFL were DT’s in college. That’s how it works. Again…get real.

  47. By John on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    WOW, a lot of impatient Packers fans here. LOL. We are a perennial playoff team and that is what you want. Just make the playoffs and get on a run at the right time and have a shot at a Super Bowl. We have that and I bet a ton of teams would take the front office we have now and be ecstatic, teams like the Jaguars, Raiders, Jets, Browns…. etc, etc. I am psyched and can’t wait for football season to start!

  48. By Daniel on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Dagget,

    The issue isn’t the evaluation of talent, it is taking players ahead of where they are valued. If you like a player that much, fine, trade down to where the pick makes sense and preserve the value of the pick in doing so.

  49. By jeff binder on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Why are we taking players who otherwise would probably go undrafted in the third round?

  50. By Gus on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Everyone has 20-20 vision in hindsight. saying this guy is the next Justin Harrel is way too premature. Let the experts (TT and co.) do their job. Just get with the fact that you’ll never be as informed as they are.

  51. By axespray on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Man we’ve got some whiny fans.
    Packers are great til we have “these” types that show up to do nothing but whine.

  52. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I just don’t get it. I was very pleased with this draft today until I read all the posts. Drafting is not a science but for lack of a better term it is a skill. Most interviewing/drafting situations result in a 50/50 proposition. Either you get the person you think you are investing in or you don’t. You draft/hire 8 people based on qualities you deem important and usually 4 don’t make it. 1-2 become good to awesome, and 1-2 become serviceable. Why is everyone beating on TT? I am not a TT apologist but his track record for years is that he drafts well, except for 1st rounders and trench guys. Be patient and support your Packers.

  53. By Bill S. on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Don’t know if its sarcasm or for real but everyone seems down on this pick. My question is; have you watched the film? This guy is like a cat! For his size, he is extremely quick and seems to have a fire inside that is hard to come by. Being on a losing team, it would have been easy to tank or take most of the game off. I predict he runs circles around Worthy in camp and (barring injury) into the season. Well kept secret!

  54. By Cornelis on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    as much as liked the first 2 picks this one is a bust. if he can on;y get 6 sacks in 4 years of college how little is he going to do in the NFL.

  55. By Justin on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    To all of you complaining/bashing the picks. How many of you had heard of Nick Collins, Josh Sitton, James Jones, Mike Daniels, David Bakhtiari, T. J. Lang, etc. Give these new young guys a chance to show what they can do in training camp and the preseason.

  56. By RichardSRussell on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Guys, you’re not gonna get the 2nd coming of Reggie White in the 3rd round.

  57. By Raphael on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Wow… go to YouTube and type in his name, there are ZERO highlights of this guy…

  58. By Daniel on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I like how people like axespray complain about fans complaining. Sorry, I guess we should all stick our heads in the sand and blindly “trust in Ted,” as if he nails every draft pick and has been winning the SB every year. How about this? I’ll stop complaining when we win the superbowl like Seattle, or continue to add top talent while winning like the 49ers; all without QBs at the same tier as Rodgers.

  59. By Justin on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    To add to the previous comment, Nick Collins was projected by SI.com to be an undrafted free agent. Josh Sitton was projected as the 97th best OT by NFLDraft101.com. I could go on and on, but the point is, let us wait more than an hour before declaring these guys to be bad picks.

  60. By Ted on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Should have taken Dan McCullers!

  61. By Joe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    You are right Daniel, Have fun being either a Seahawks or 49ers fan!!!

  62. By Daniel on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Thanks Joe, enjoy that defense and losing in the first round each year.

  63. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    There will always be misses and hits. The trick is to stay true to your beliefs and your evaluations then develop. I simply cannot believe the amount of Packer fans posting like TT should be perfect with every pick and that they know better than him.

  64. By Joe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    To be fair, both Seattle and the 49ers were horrible for an extended amount of time so the reason they are good now is because they both picked in the top 10 for years. The Packers, in the meantime, were competing in the playoffs during that time. I will never be happy being a losing team for as long as the niners and shehawks were regardless of their talent now.

  65. By Swamp on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Daniel…I could not have said this any better! KUDOS!

  66. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    So quickly we forget winning a Superbowl 4 years ago with 1/4 of the opening day roster on IR. As Packer fans do you think that was a fluke?

  67. By Daniel on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Fair point Joe. But the Packers have had the benefit of having Favre and then Rodgers, an advantage most franchises would seek to capitalize on. If you are satisfied with one superbowl win each…well….

  68. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Seattle 1, San Fran 4. Green Bay 4. I am very content with winning a Superbowl once every…..

  69. By Daniel on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    No Jeff, I don’t think it was a fluke. I think the packers had the best quarterback in the game in Rodgers. The fact that they won that year with all the injuries speaks to the state of our roster in its current form, as the quarterback play has not changed.

  70. By Peter on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Whiners…stuff it until 2016 or so…amazing how many football geniuses, that can also see the future, there are here. Yet none of you are working as a GM??? I can’t figure that out.

  71. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Peter, well said. I was just trying to be a little “less direct” but share your view. And yes, I am a GM

  72. By Daniel on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Right Peter, because being a GM automatically makes you a perfect evaluator of talent. This must be the reason there is such little turnover in the league amongst GMs (sarcasm). I think you mistake my premise as saying that I know more than TT, which is not the case. What I know is that there other GMs (see 49ers, Seahawks, Patriots) that know more than TT about drafting every position aside from wide receiver.

  73. By Cheese on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    To Pacman (post above):

    Packers have won one SB with TT as GM, and it was because Rodgers carried them. Also, because TT actually signed a good free agent for once (some guy named Charles Woodson).

    We should be complaining about just making the playoffs…when you have a QB like Rodgers, you should compete for a SB every year, and losing to the same team in the playoffs year after year for the same reasons gets frustrating when those reasons aren’t addressed in the offseason. TT’s inability to make smart defensive draft picks is frustrating (Clay is about the only one, and he’s always hurt).

  74. By Kris on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Stop basing your opinions off of projections!!! They are projections!!! Projections are merely guesses and are not facts. You all act as if these guys have already taken the field. Damn, stop complaining. TT has proven that he knows how to evaluate talent. Plus this kid adds more depth to a deep rotation of DT’s. But you all can’t grasp that concept. He adds depth, folks are speaking in the air of disappointment like he’s is expected to be the starter.

  75. By Kris on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Cheese, please stop posting. You have no clue on what you are talking about. We make the playoffs year in and year out. Most teams can’t even make the playoffs after years of trying. Compete for a SB year after year?? When a team makes the playoffs consistently as the Pack they are competing for a SB year after year. Stop posting.

  76. By Daniel on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Kris, someone should stop posting because they desire pursuit of a championship over consistently landing in the middle of the pack? History remembers Superbowl winners, not playoff contenders.

  77. By Joe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    last 10 years…. 49ers = 0 Super Bowls, Seahawks = 1 Super Bowl, Packers = 1 Super Bowl. Yeah, the 49ers and Seahawks have dominated.

  78. By Daniel on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    If we had Geno Smith as our quarterback I would settle for just making the playoffs each year, thing is, we don’t.

  79. By tim on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    glad im not ona sinking boat with most of you because i’d be dead before i even had a chance….some optimim is in order here…they get paid to research these people and how thye may fit in the system….

  80. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Draft example: I loved the Mike Neal pick when he was drafted. Got hurt first year. Didn’t produce second year after injury. Plugged into weird situation for him 3rd year and now he will be counted on heavily after producing. Same can be said for numerous picks over the last 10 years with a SB win mixed in there all-the-while being the smallest market in sports with the 3rd oldest stadium in sports and no Billionaire owner that can empty his pocket to sign any FA on a whim. Take pride in that.

  81. By Mark on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Keep in mind that none of us have the experience or training to judge the draft…it’s like a non-doctor commenting on whether he/she agrees that a doctor is correct in recommending surgery. None of “us” has the background to judge Thompson.

  82. By Dagget on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Daniel,

    You said, “The issue isn’t the evaluation of talent, it is taking players ahead of where they are valued. If you like a player that much, fine, trade down to where the pick makes sense and preserve the value of the pick in doing so.”

    What makes you think the player will be there later? Because some reporter said so? Obviously Ted placed a different value on the player than those who say otherwise. I think Ted’s credentials and track record is much more impressive than a sport reporter or blogger who has never held a job evaluating talent.

    No Daniel, the real issue is that half the people commenting here don’t know how to filter what they read and hear properly.

  83. By Joe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Cheese, YES, Aaron Rodgers carried the team to a Super Bowl win… Who drafted Aaron Rodgers? I bet back then you were crying when the Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers cause Favre was on the team… you probably thought that was a wasted pick.

  84. By JEH on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I am so dissapointed with tonights picks. With a little ingenuity we could have had a center, a talented tight end, and a middle linebacker. Instead we got 6 or 7th round projects.

  85. By Cheese on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    To Peter (post above):

    One doesn’t have to be a GM to understand how to draft. Look at the drafts the Niners and Seahawks have had in recent years…there’s a reason that division is the best in football. All four of those teams are smart about the way they draft.

    You can’t compare what the Niners have done in the first two days of the draft with what TT has done, and not laugh at TT…it’s frustrating. The major need is a culture change on defense: wrapping up and tackling, and just plain getting guys who are willing to hit. TT doesn’t draft guys like the Niners and Seahawks do.

    Even if we (on these boards) don’t know what we’re talking about in terms of who to take, we can still look at what other GM’s are doing, and the success they’ve had because of it, and be frustrated.

  86. By Joe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Drafting is NOT a science. the only draft grade that matters is the one the GM places on players. Everyone is hot and heavy on Nix but he sank like a rock in the draft for a reason. Apparently every GM in the league is wrong because no one picked him based on his “Grade”.

  87. By Joe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Cheese, remember that the NFC West was the laughing stock of the NFL a couple of years ago, there was also talk of changing the playoff format because that division was so bad. The NFC West is good now because all of those teams suffered through years of horrible play and drafted in the top 10 for years. if the Packers were that bad for that long then we would have that much talent too.

  88. By Cheese on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Actually, Joe, I remember that I immediately asked my parents to buy me a Rodgers jersey because I watched video of him and knew it was a good pick.

    TT has made two good picks…Rodgers and Matthews, and Matthews is always hurt. Lacy could be another good pick (yay for TT pick an RB after years of having a laughable run game).

    You can’t use one example to prove your point that TT is a good drafter. And to answer your question again…I loved the Rodgers pick. Pretty much the only pick I’ve loved that TT has made (at the time of the pick).

  89. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    One word to refute the most resent posts. Character. Yes, the Packers could draft better talent IMO but at what cost? Tarnish the legacy? Have fans turn on the team? Why do you think John Kuhn is a favorite? Because he works hard and identifies with those who own the team. There is merit in doing things the right way without neccesarily getting the results you want. It is called Karma. See the Atlanta Braves for example. 1 WS win while being one of the best in baseball and winning a record 11 straight division crowns.

  90. By Cheese on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Both the Seahawks and Niners have built their teams on picks outside of the first round. They each have a couple staple players that were taken in the first round, but what sets them apart are their 2nd-5th round picks that they’ve been smart about. I’m sorry, but the guys TT takes in these rounds make so many people go, “huh?” for a reason. The guys he took in the third round today had 5th and 6th round grades by most experts…TT knows better than all these experts?

  91. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Yes cheese. TT knows better than these experts. TT is terrible at drafting 1st rounders but makes a living between rounds 2-5 like you state the Seahawks and Niners do. The difference is character. While the west coast teams don’t value integrity the Packers do.

  92. By Daniel on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I am not proposing that Ted should go, as a matter of fact I still think he is a top-5 GM. I think who should go is whoever is in charge of evaluating DL prospects and that Ted should stick to the BAP philosophy that gained the Pack its top player (Rodgers was the definition of BAP, not a need at the time).

    Of course, you would propose that the people here don’t know how to filter content properly because they voice an opinion of skepticism, regardless of how well founded it may be.

    There is a fine line between drinking the Kool-aid and blinding yourself from reality, and you crossed that line in proposing that we shouldn’t speculate on TT’s draft choices because his credentials are better than that of a reporter or blogger. He may have the credentials, but that does not mean his choices have always been in the best interest of the Packers ultimate goal: to win a championship.

  93. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    As I have reread posts I gotta say I am laughing. Cheese said, “when Rodgers was drafted I asked my parents to buy me a jersey”. What was that like 8 years ago?

  94. By Joe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Daniel

    What are you talking about? Do you really believe that TT doesn’t draft to help the team win a Super Bowl? Then what ‘interest is he drafting for? Every GM drafts to build a roster to win a championship, you really believe TT is drafting for no reason than to sabotage the Packers? LMFAO…. Have faith brotha

  95. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Have faith. Best post of the night.

  96. By Joe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    All I am saying is lets support these guys coming to the Packers and give them the benefit of the doubt. What if Nix and Mosley are busts but Thornton and Clinton-Dix are pro bowl caliber players? lets reserve judgement till these guys play a down in the NFL. I really believe that Davonte Adams is gonna be special because Rodgers makes receivers great.

  97. By Dagget on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Daniel,

    You said, “There is a fine line between drinking the Kool-aid and blinding yourself from reality, and you crossed that line in proposing that we shouldn’t speculate on TT’s draft choices because his credentials are better than that of a reporter or blogger.”

    Please, show me where I said you shouldn’t speculate. Speculate all you want, but when you do you open yourself up to have your speculation criticized.

    Further, it’s common knowledge that it takes 3-4 years to properly evaluate a draft. And yet the “geniuses” here are already pronouncing players a bust.

    Those posters who posture as being a better evaluator of talent than Ted, and who are so full of themselves they think they know who’s a bust and who’s not before the kid even has a locker are the one who are Kool-Aid drinkers. They’re drunk on their own ego.

    Nice way to welcome a rookie to Green Bay, but pronouncing he’s a bust on his teams website. And you people call yourselves fans. Shame on you.

  98. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    TT will not be right on all his picks. Nor will he be wrong on all his picks. He is just trying to do what is right for the Packers, period. That doesn’t mean we have to agree with it, we just have to trust it because we have a SB win a few years ago and the Packers are always primed to go on another run because they’ve got AR.

  99. By Cheese on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Daniel–it was 2005, so 9 years ago…I was 15 and didn’t have a job yet. Needed $ from the ‘rents for it…money well spent lol. Sorry for not being 40 right now lol.

  100. By Ed on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    I understand why some fans would take issue with players being drafted earlier than their “projected” round(s) would call for. I can also understand why other fans take issue with those fans who complain about those “reach” draft picks.
    Only time will really tell the story of this or any draft in a few years.
    I’ve been a packer fan for 45 years and I can tell you that a major part of the packer success over the last 20 years has been Favre & Rodgers. Without them, imagine what the performance would have been. How much of the recent success is really Rodgers (who fell in Thompson’s lap) or is it Thompson? Once again, try imagining what the packer performance would have been had Rodgers not dropped that far in Thompson’s 1st draft.

  101. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Nicely stated Ed.

  102. By Joe on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Ed, I understand your point but 1 player does not win a team a Super Bowl, yes we have been blessed with Favre and Rodgers but the GM’s of the Super Bowl teams also drafted well and gave both those quarterbacks plenty of help via the draft, not so much FA cause we don’t do that much but both Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson have done a great job of providing those quarterbacks with talent to get them their rings.

  103. By Cheese on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Ed said this:

    “I’ve been a packer fan for 45 years and I can tell you that a major part of the packer success over the last 20 years has been Favre & Rodgers. Without them, imagine what the performance would have been. How much of the recent success is really Rodgers (who fell in Thompson’s lap) or is it Thompson? Once again, try imagining what the packer performance would have been had Rodgers not dropped that far in Thompson’s 1st draft.”

    Thank you Ed! That’s exactly the point I was trying to make!

  104. By Jeff on May 9, 2014 | Reply

    Time is the great equalizer for all things.

  105. By Bob on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    What is wrong with looking at Wisc players Pederson , Borland?

  106. By Joe on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    how much success would New England have without Tom Brady who fell in Bill Belichick’s lap or San Francisco with out Joe Montana falling in Bill Walshe’s Lap? The quarterback doesn’t draft the team around him.

  107. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    And I’m going to go back on my comments a little bit here by re-evaluating them…

    I’ll give TT credit as an evaluater of skill position players, but as far as drafting for the trenches…he’s absolutely awful.

  108. By Joe on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Bob, mose of the Packers fans would have an issue if we drafted Borland in the 3rd round because he had a 4th or 5th round grade. But I would have loved to have been able to get him.

  109. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Not a fair comparison with Brady, Joe. Nobody knew Brady would be this good…he was a 6th round draft pick. Taking Rodgers was a no-brainer even knowing he would sit until Favre was gone.

  110. By Chris on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    There’s not a team in the NFL that doesn’t have both hits & missee in the draft. Teams like the 49ers drafted in the Top 5 for a decade – they ought to be good. You can’t name too many teams that can say they’ve consistently been playoff contenders for 2 1/2 decades, like the Pack. There are safe picks & reach picks in every draft; the a Pack, like every other team has hits & misses. Every team in football has a Harrell in the last couple if years. With the way injuries have flourished in the NFL (and certainly with GB), depth is key and the Pack have a lot of picks. They can afford to take a few reaches when they have multiple picks in rounds (such as the 3rd this year). Middle-round picks like Daniel & Hyde haven’t been too bad, recently. And I wouldn’t describe higher-round picks lke Nelson, Cobb, Lacy, Matthews, Finley & Raji exactly as busts. Remember a few years ago when they won the Super Bowl, a lot of the guys starting that game were guys no one had heard of during the drafts. All four of the guys taken so far have a lot of upside and fill needs the Pack have; let’s see how they pan out.

  111. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Joe–I would have loved the Borland pick. The guy can flat out tackle and make plays. He would have been part of the defensive mind-set change the Packers need.

  112. By Joe on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Cheese

    Borland had a projected grade in the 4th or 5th round, same as Thornton. What is the difference?

  113. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Actually, I would have even been happy with picking Borland in the second round to make sure ILB was addressed…Rodgers makes receivers good, it was more important to address defense (specifically ILB) before taking a WR.

    Unless Capers is all of a sudden switching to a 4-3, which I’m starting to wonder about given the fact that they don’t seem too concerned about the need at ILB.

  114. By Iggy Pelman on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    It’s obvious the Packers are drafting for need based on what’s available. Why so many fans are having difficulty holding their water over a draft that this team historically does a pretty good job at year-over-year is not surprising. I just look at the endless video records of fans from drafts past booing future greats to confirm the value of their insights.

  115. By Joe on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    I am sure they are concerned about need at ILB but this year was not a great year to draft that position because it was not very deep. I am sure if they had a player rated higher than Thornton at that position they would have drafted one but there wasn’t so they went with their highest rated player and that is what they did.

  116. By Ez on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    This “as long as we make the playoffs we’re SB contenders” is BS and only a brainwashed Vic disciple thinks that way. Its not like once in the playoffs the defense can just flip a switch and be good all of the sudden. You can hide deficiencies during the regular season but you WILL get exposed in the post-season. And the defense is ALWAYS exposed. I thought it was a good pick because it addressed need but people don’t seem to be too high on this kid. I’ll give him a chance, but TT’s track record on defense these last few years has been awful.

  117. By Joe on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    BTW, if the Packers were to switch to a 4-3 we would have to kiss Matthews goodbye. Too small to play 4-3 DE or OLB. He would be like Demarcus Ware, great player playing in the wrong system.

  118. By greenandgold12 on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    I LOVE THIS TEAM AND WE’LL BE WINNING THE SUPER BOWL THIS YEAR!!!

  119. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Joe–that’s true, it’s not that deep of a position this year. So why didn’t TT go after someone in free agency knowing that this would be an issue…now we’re going into another year where a perrenial need for us doesn’t get addressed. It’s frustrating because this has been a major reason for the defensive struggle, and it continually gets ignored. How long is it going to take to figure out that defense wins championships?

  120. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have Super Bowl rings lol.

    And I think the Seahawks proved it once and for all last year against one of the best offenses in history.

  121. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Joe

    To address your 4-3 Clay and Ware comments…

    First off–it wouldn’t matter because Clay is hurt all the time anyway.

    Second–are you referring to Ware being in the wrong system when he was in Dallas? I’m pretty sure he has the most sacks in the league since he was drafted.

  122. By Joe on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Free agency is a trap for desperate GM’s. FA rarely wins you championships, just ask the Redskins. Who in FA would you have wanted the Packers to get that wouldn’t have trashed our Salary Cap? Linebackers get better in a 3-4 when you have a great NT. Thornton allows Raji, who was playing out of position last season, the ability to play NT full time like in the 2010 Championship season. Maybe now Raji will eat up double teams and allow our linebackers to roam free and become better because they aren’t blocked all the time.

  123. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Let’s change the subject though, because there’s something more important than all this…

    The Packers need to figure out what’s going on with the perrenial issue of injuries.

    I don’t know if a new training staff needs to be hired, or if players need more education on taking care of themselves, but this is getting a little out of hand. Can anyone enlighten me on this? What am I missing here? How can a team have so many injuries every year?

  124. By Joe on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Dallas switched to a 4-3 last year which was Ware’s worst season as a pro because he was out of position, or in simpler terms, Kampman was a great DE in a 4-3 but failed to make the switch to 3-4 LB which led him to be allowed to leave via FA to the Jags. So yes, ware did have the most sacks since being drafted but as soon as they switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 he suffered through the worst year of his career and ended up in Denver where they play a 3-4. I bet he has double digit sacks again because he is in the correct system.

  125. By Steve on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    I dont usually interject but so many people are using the seahawks as an example and iwould like to point out that schnieder follows the same philosophy as his mentor ted, was criticized heavily for a first round pick by the name of irving who was “prjected” as 4th rounder at best and this db you may possibly know named r. Sherman who was suppose to be undrafted._.

  126. By Steve on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Sorry for grammar errors, but im on a phone

  127. By Joe on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Agreed Steve. Also I hope everyone gets used to the way the Packers do business because from multiple reports i have read from different reporting sources state that if TT were to retire or leave the job for any reason the next logical GM would more than likely be John Schneider.

  128. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Well that would be fine with me because Schneider obviously takes TT’s game to a whole new level. I don’t have a problem with the philosophy…I actually think it’s the best way to draft. I just don’t understand how Schneider has executed the philosophy so much better than TT. And don’t say it’s because they were bad for so long and had high draft picks, because they were pretty darn good and went to a SB and lost. Also, TT had the opportunity to take some of the same guys that Schneider has taken using the same philosophy.

  129. By Steve on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    We were one play away from the nfc championship against the seahawks with an injury riddled D. I think every pick at least added depth and compition to a young stacked team only two wins from an sb berth

  130. By Steve on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    It took 4 yrs for everyone to know who Sherman is. Most seahawks fans can still barely figure out who plays for them._.Beside the point though ;)

  131. By rmegenis on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    All you crystal ballers, get a grip–please!! Leave this to Ted and his staff, and wait until the season starts before you critique every single pick. This is not a team that is going to slide back in any case. All of a sudden Schneider is Einstein and Ted Thompson is Forrest Gump. Well Forrest did ok for himself!!

  132. By Michael on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Does it seem like every year since the superbowl of 2010, the Packers are always in need of defensive linemen? Wasn’t last year or the year before where the Packers picked six defensive guys in the draft that were supposed to be tougher and faster? I’m weary of TT drafting defensive linemen (as well as offensive linemen). In this case, they could have gotten this guy in the 4th round with all his question marks. He might turn out average at best.

  133. By Nl&£R1AGU3ST on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    I wish all would eat more foods out of the dumpster. You will start to enjoy the wonderful smell of the rotting fish.

  134. By tom on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    I’m surprised all you experts arent working for an NFL team.

  135. By getagrip on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    So…for all you geniuses that think that TT is an idiot and Mel Kiper et al are geniuses…and are trashing TT for his pick of Justin Harrell, go back and check out Kiper’s grade on Harrell. He had him as the 23rd best player and the 2nd best tackle. TT picked Harrell as the 16th pick and the 2nd tackle. But Mel’s a genius and TT’s an idiot. Whatever.

  136. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    TT continues to prove the point I made last night…questionable picks that don’t fill needs in these rounds, or that he could’ve waited on.

    Takes an OLB in the 4th when ILB is the obvious need…really?

    It’s easy to come on here and say, “look at all you experts who think you know better than TT,” and “why aren’t you working for an NFL team then.” But when the same needs are there year after year and the defense still has holes it’s hard to not complain.

  137. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    I’m not saying he hasn’t constructed a pretty good team, but when you should be a contender and don’t fill obvious needs (like ILB) it gets frustrating. How long is it going to take to realize that you’re sticking Rodgers with incapable defenses, much like the Colts did with Manning for all those years.

  138. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    And the, “We take the best player available” line TT drops all the time is misleading. They draft by what they think are needs. If they really drafted the best player available all the time, they would have drafted Carlos Hyde in the second round when he was there, but they didn’t because it wasn’t a need.

  139. By Dude on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Ted does it again! Great pick! This kid is an absolute stud. Stop reading “draftknick” dribble, if those morons actually knew what they were talking about they’d have a job with an NFL team. Out.

  140. By whatswrongwithmyname on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Why are we talking about filling needs in the 4th round? Jeebus H…unless that need is “kicker”, you’re not filling needs at this point. You’re drafting depth. And, as always with our GM…this is a best available strategy. I don’t get how this is tough to understand.

  141. By whatswrongwithmyname on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    According to YOU Hyde was the best player available. It’s not misleading if you realize that the way you look at a players youtube highlights arent the way pro scouts see a player.

  142. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Kris–thanks for asking me to stop posting and saying I “have no clue what I’m talking about” while presenting no facts to support it. Being a playoff contender year in and year out doesn’t make you a SB contender. SB contenders have top defenses, which the Packers have not since 2010.

    Everyone knew GB hadn’t made the moves to be able to get past Seattle and San Fran. How long is TT going to hold Rodgers hostage with a bad defense, much in the way the Colts did with Manning?

  143. By james roberts on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    boy where did these fans come from and where did
    they get the’re info on our picks? NIX and the WR
    next pick could both be starters from get go. the
    TE we picked could be a talented sleeper also DL
    THORTEN could be a steal.SO BEFORE U GUYS START
    KNOCKING OUR PICKS WATCH THE SEASON START AND
    PROCEED.I PREDICT NIX WILL START and surprise
    us fans.i feel we have at least 5 players from
    this draft will make us happy.SO WATCH!

  144. By Packer808 on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Cry baby’s all of you stfu

  145. By Packer808 on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Cry baby’s all of you shut the Fawk up

  146. By Cheese on May 10, 2014 | Reply

    Packers808 then don’t say we didn’t tell you what’s up when the Packers lose to the Niners in the playoffs again because the same problems still exist and weren’t addressed.

  147. By longtimefanhtr on May 11, 2014 | Reply

    Ted hasn’t done squat since Schneider and Dorsey left.

  148. By chibiabo on May 11, 2014 | Reply

    Bad days at the draft for GB; some really dubious picks. Will have to see whether TT has lost his touch. Talking heads rate GB’s draft a B I give them a C-.

  149. By Ed on May 12, 2014 | Reply

    look at the packer undrafted free agent pickups as well. likely more than 1 of them make the team.’
    Dix is a starter at S.
    Adams may beat out Boykin at wr.
    The Ohio State center will give Tretter a run for his money.
    Addrederis and Janis are excellent value picks.
    Bradford is a tough outside rush prospect with a possibility of moving inside.
    Adrian Hubbard looks like a solid UDFA and would have been drafted if there was not a mixup in his medical condition and clearance.
    Overall, the future looks bright. The health returns to Worthy, Matthews, Hayward, Sherrod, Cobb, Bostick, etc.
    Get ready for Seattle in less than 4 months.

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